Switching abilities

[Frodo De Mar]

If you could give any class a weapon or ability from any other class, what would it be and why would it make that class pwn?

for me i would definately have to say give the heavy the spy's ability to cloak just because it would be freaking awesome. imagine seeing a fatty uncloak right behind an unsuspecting sniper and instead of a subtle backstab...they get completely mowed down, maybe even crit shotted. or imagine him singing while he was invisible, you can hear him, but you cant see him.... invisible fatty FTW

[ASTROBLACK]

I'm predicting a bunch of ppl whining about the pyro, ITT

[Blonde]

Any class - double jump.

[eclyps]

I would like to add the medic gun to ANY class. That'd make any class super awesome and super vital

[Timmah!]

Hrmmm... give the demoman the soldier's rocket launcher (in trade for the pipe launcher).

[yokeasaurus]

Hrmmm... give the demoman the soldier's rocket launcher (in trade for the pipe launcher).

that would be awesome!!

but, what if you have the soldier the stickies instead? would you rather have the soldier's health or the demo's speed?

[Blonde]

Hrmmm... give the demoman the soldier's rocket launcher (in trade for the pipe launcher).

Actually this would be bad ass.

[sloppy]

Actually this would be bad ass.

pipe launcher is stronger :/ id rather have the snipers gun on scout instead of craptastic pistol

[Timmah!]

that would be awesome!!

but, what if you have the soldier the stickies instead? would you rather have the soldier's health or the demo's speed?
Demo's speed.

pipe launcher is stronger
Whatever you say, man. :/

id rather have the snipers gun on scout instead of craptastic pistol
Now that would be pretty cool, too.

I have another one. Imagine if you will.... a heavy with the rocket launcher instead of the minigun. Picture the fatty rocket jumping around. :p

[Brandname]

pipe launcher is stronger :/ id rather have the snipers gun on scout instead of craptastic pistol

It causes more damage and doesn't have distance fall off, but it's an inferior weapon.

[Timmah!]

btw... does Frodo's new avatar fill anyone else with rage? LOL

[EpYx]

zzzzzzzz.

you all have lame ideas.


Heavy with each of the following -


Miniguns that light you on fire.
Sentry gun and dispenser on his back.
the Medigun.
Runs as fast as scout with 500 hp and has a triple jump.





On a lighter note.

Snipers with no freakin charge time.

And the pyros compression to shoot him up.

[Glork]

I'd like to see Scouts charge their (initial) jump by crouching, a la Toad in Super Mario Bros 2.

Spies being able to taunt while disguised would be <3.

Oh, and dispensers should heal enemies as well (as opposed to just restocking ammo).



EDIT: But I guess those are all technically off-topic. I'd like to see Heavies who can backstab.

[Timmah!]

Wait, I got it: Give the engineer the pyro's flamethrower (with compression blast) instead of the pistol.

[Glork]

Wait, I got it: Give the engineer the pyro's flamethrower (with compression blast) instead of the pistol.Yes, let's make it impossible for Spies to do their jobs.

[PandaBear Assassin]

Hrmmm... give the demoman the soldier's rocket launcher (in trade for the pipe launcher).

Actually this would be bad ass.

Man I would always be playing demo if this were possible.

[Brandname]

Nah, you gotta give the soldier stickies instead of the demo a rocket launcher.

With their rocket launcher, soldiers are actually one of the most mobile classes in the game. Slow movement speed doesn't hurt at all if you're a halfway competent soldier.

[Timmah!]

Yes, let's make it impossible for Spies to do their jobs.
Yes, that's the idea and the question this thread poses: how to make one class own by giving him a weapon/ability from another class.

[Timmah!]

Nah, you gotta give the soldier stickies instead of the demo a rocket launcher.

With their rocket launcher, soldiers are actually one of the most mobile classes in the game. Slow movement speed doesn't hurt at all if you're a halfway competent soldier.
I think we will inevitably disagree on this point. :) I guess it depends if you have a medic with you all the time or not.

[XrazorX]

sniper with a compression blast on his rifle and demo stickies as his secondary = instant win

[.eric]

Give the demo a sniper rifle and you have a godly class.

Long range is the only thing a good demo doesn't completely pwn in. Also, sticky-jump no-scopes would be badass.

[Tango]

hehe, give the medic the axtinguisher, and just follow those pyros around!

[Prosthetics]

Give spy a heavy minigun.

[Timmah!]

Give the demo a sniper rifle and you have a godly class.

Long range is the only thing a good demo doesn't completely pwn in. Also, sticky-jump no-scopes would be badass.
Stop suggesting silly things for my beloved black scottish cyclops! The demoman's greatest weakness is not long range (the pipes can go pretty damn far with enough trajectory and the stickies can go really far with enough charge-up) - plus I can sticky-jump very far to deal with long range threats. The natural enemies of the demoman are pyros and scouts. Hence the rocket launcher to solve that problem.

[.eric]

Stop suggesting silly things for my beloved black scottish cyclops! The demoman's greatest weakness is not long range (the pipes can go pretty damn far with enough trajectory and the stickies can go really far with enough charge-up) - plus I can sticky-jump very far to deal with long range threats. The natural enemies of the demoman are pyros and scouts. Hence the rocket launcher to solve that problem.

You are right, short range is the achilles heel of the demo. Yes, the pipes go far but are definitely not an option long-range for anything other than spamming a certain area. Stickies are a great long-range option for the demo but don't do enough damage because of the slow rate of fire. You'd rather close in on that person and do some serious damage mid-range.

For you it would probably be a flamethrower in addition to your stickies and pipes. For me... having an insanely lethal long range weapon as a demo would outclass having short range defense for a scout and a pyro.

[Timmah!]

I sticky jump to the snipers and then I eat their souls. :D

Good scouts know to keep out of range of a flamethrower, and why fight fire with fire when rockets are the best counter?

[Brandname]

I sticky jump to the snipers and then I eat their souls. :D

Good scouts know to keep out of range of a flamethrower, and why fight fire with fire when rockets are the best counter?

You could have the minigun. :)

[Herron]

Give the soldier the pyro's immunity to afterburn and we'll call it even

[Timmah!]

You could have the minigun. :)
Why won't anyone just let me have the rocket launcher in this fantasy world of mine? :p

Herron's no afterburn idea would be nice, tho - for so many classes.

[Brandname]

Why won't anyone just let me have the rocket launcher in this fantasy world of mine? :p

Herron's no afterburn idea would be nice, tho - for so many classes.

Because we soldiers want to hog the rocket launcher to ourselves. :)

[Timmah!]

Because we soldiers want to hog the rocket launcher to ourselves. :)
But I play soldier too! Don't you remember us killing each other over and over on your spire on badlands? It's my 2nd favorite class - why do you think I want it? :D :anim_08:

[Brandname]

But I play soldier too! Don't you remember us killing each other over and over on your spire on badlands? It's my 2nd favorite class - why do you think I want it? :D :anim_08:

"You're not fooling anyone, you know."

You're as much of a soldier as I am a demo. Just cuz you're a good soldier doesn't mean you have a soldier's interests in mind, lol.

[Enlightened Fool]

Considering spy is one of my better played classes(other than the demo), I would like to see:
1. While cloaked being able to run as fast/faster than the scout.
2. Duelies(like css)? As in 2 6-shooters? Can he not hold anything in the other hand, or what? Is the hand broken?
3. Should be able to strap a bomb on people..like snake(MGS 1?) and either have a timer or a remote detonate.
4. Should be able to 100% crit THROW the knife. Not insta-kill, but something. Maybe 75, 100, or 125hp damage?
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For demos I just want some type of other gun... a pistol even, for the love of someones god...
To me giving them a rocket launcher just means people can't do artillery-type aiming.... it's just angles, distance, and time.... has no one but me played games like Scorched Earth or freaking Worms 1,2,3, or 3d?
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For heavies, even though it isn't another classes ability, perhaps a sprint? Come on, despite his size he should be able to run, but like a (no offense to anyone, and I used to be one as well) fat kid - only so far.

Kinda like HL2's sprint(shift), and in the same sense wayyy more limited(time) amount of sprinting can be done.

Perhaps change the speed/amount of sprint for each class given their pre-set movement, and only to the ones who now already don't appear to be running(ex: soilder, demo, heavy, but not the scout, medic, or sniper)
Like the heavy would run faster than any other class w/the sprint function, but only over a much shorter distance.
This could be used to run in to kill, or to run out to not be killed.

Would still follow class- as in normally it goes slow-to-fast= heavy, soldier
, demo so the sprint would be the opposite for speed and sprint time, but they would all be evened.
(I think I explained that last statement wrong)
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I agree with the sniper always criting, but only if you don't move, or like in css(your aiming is better while crouched, so crouch to always be able to crit no matter how fast you shoot)
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I agree with your statement, Glork: "I'd like to see Scouts charge their (initial) jump by crouching, a la Toad in Super Mario Bros 2."

But only that they would jump psycho-high, as if they sticky-jumped.





For me not being serious, a scout with a non-ACompressor flamethrower. Who can also cloak. And mob-style boink you with the bat instead of backstabbing, which wouldn't kill you(just leave you on the ground unconscious, IDK about getting back up though, the animations that is, perhaps hit the jump button). When this happens it also leaves your vision blurred for a sec.

[Timmah!]

Jesus, EF, it wasn't an essay question. TL;DNR

[Enlightened Fool]

Jesus, EF, it wasn't an essay question. TL;DNR

lolz, had some of the ideas in my head for a while, especially after watching some of those fan vids(like the scout bomb one)
Honestly the sprint one seems feasible for valve to do, but of course if they did they'd mess it up.
And I didn't mean any sort of long distances. More like a mini burst.

[Brandname]

In all seriousness, I think a small buff to spy that would really improve gameplay would be to make his cloak lose charge slowly when he's standing still. It could change up how a lot of people play spy and it would be a small buff to help with the fact that spies are somewhat underpowered.

[Frodo De Mar]

btw... does Frodo's new avatar fill anyone else with rage? LOL
it fills you with rage?

[JMaster299]

Heavy with Scout's speed!

On another note, the Nade launcher is NOT more powerful then the Rocket Launcher. I can hit most classes with 3 nades with no kill. Nade launcher also requires your actually HIT your target to be effective. Soldiers would get even more kills if they did more then jump and shoot at the ground. When they shoot the ground they are only hitting the target with splash damage. If a nade misses it's target the target can just run past it and avoid any damage at all.

[ShangoXG]

Engy with Spies Cloak.
Spy with sapper from tfc where the sapper would turn the sentry against the team who built it.
Sniper with the health of a heavy and stickies so that it could sticky jump to 1337 sniping spots.

Spy with portal guy.

Sniper with medigun combined into his sniper rifle for long range healing (someone on 2fort suggested this, i thought it was epic lolz)

[CoolJon]

Medic should have a rocket launcher instead of the needle gun. That would teach people to flank me just before I deploy an uber.

[yokeasaurus]

[the spy] Should be able to strap a bomb on people - like snake(MGS 1?) - and either have a timer or a remote detonate....

that would be funny. i'm imagining strapping a bomb w/a short ticking timer on someone in a group of people and watching them scatter trying not to die.

[ShangoXG]

thats damn right you tell em cooljon, they wouldn't dare phuck with a medic with a rocket launcher, watch those bitches run.

[Lstormy10]

The spy should have engie-like powers and be able to disguise himself as a dispenser or sentry. I don't think a teleporter would work because they are too small.

[Glork]

The spy should have engie-like powers and be able to disguise himself as a dispenser or sentry. I don't think a teleporter would work because they are too small.I keep getting this image of Bugs Bunny sneaking around Elmer Fudd while disguised as a bush, then doing horrible things to Fudd from behind.

[Timmah!]

it fills you with rage?
Yes, does that need 'splainin'? LOL. It's that damn revenge indicator over his head.

[CoolJon]

Yes, does that need 'splainin'? LOL. It's that damn revenge indicator over his head.

Haha, this whole time I thought you were talking about Frodo's sig with Frodo Baggins about to get blown to smithereens. So you don't have a soft spot for Hobbits after all, Timmah!?

On topic, though, I agree with Jmaster299 that the heavy should have the scout's speed. Imagine trying to defend against a bunch of bunny-hopping heavies who can flank a whole team in and instant.

[Iron Lung]

Pyro wants a sticky launcher! Think, you place your sticky trap, then chase someone into it. Stickys let you jump just about anywhere.

Alternatively, as a pyro I would love to be able to cloak. When spies uncloak in the thick of things, chances are they get 2 backstabs tops or maybe some good saps. If a pyro uncloaked in the middle of a group of baddies... wtfomgbbq all over again.:fighting0066::party0019:

[Da#1Stunna]

I say let the scout hit the gym for a few months and buff up so he can run/double jump while holding the chaingun (ahh that used to be the best in the old tfc when u could get ANY weapon from another class....permitted the .cfg let you )

[Prosthetics]

It seems like nobody read mine. SPY + MINIGUN = DEAD ENEMY TEAM

[ASTROBLACK]

The Demo would be ace with a close quarters weapon, like a shotgun or somethin.

[Frodo De Mar]

It seems like nobody read mine. SPY + MINIGUN = DEAD ENEMY TEAM
oh, hang on, let me read again
........;)
DUDE yeah! spy + minigun would be amazing

oh and i could read it again if your reaaally wanted me to.