the 4678746th remove castle thread

[.eric]

remove castle from the 30 man.

If you agree with this statement, post here and say why. If you have arguements against this statement, make your own post.

[Halfwit]

i have been pretty vocal about this though not all the managers feel the same.. i personally do not like the map.
with that said real question becomes does it clear the server and can it be replaced with anything as good or better ?

[eclyps]

honestly I see 2 maybe 3 people complain about this map, but other than that, many people seem to enjoy it. And I have never seen it clear out the server.

[L2P]

Personally I feel this map promotes spawn camping. I do not feel these are the type of players we want on the servers. There are other maps that can replace it.

p.s. Japan blows!

[eclyps]

if you want maps that keep the server full replaced, please let everyone know that they need to come post here. I'll replace it with something else if enough people come on here and say so. But I can't take action based on a few peoples opinions. Nothing against you guys, but I have to do what the community feels is best, not a small part of the community.

[Halfwit]

E i am good with what is best i just stated my opinion on it from a dislike it personally stand point don't group me with eric and l2p i don't even like em

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[.eric]

if you want maps that keep the server full replaced, please let everyone know that they need to come post here. I'll replace it with something else if enough people come on here and say so. But I can't take action based on a few peoples opinions. Nothing against you guys, but I have to do what the community feels is best, not a small part of the community.

agreed. This post is to see how many people actually do want it off. I heard a bunch of bitching in-game, so I told them to voice their opinion on the forums.

E i am good with what is best i just stated my opinion on it from a dislike it personally stand point don't group me with eric and l2p i don't even like em

says the guy who convinced me to make a post. Want some pads for your knees buddy?

[Halfwit]

agreed. This post is to see how many people actually do want it off. I heard a bunch of bitching in-game, so I told them to voice their opinion on the forums.



says the guy who convinced me to make a post. Want some pads for your knees buddy?

OH hell no you did not you said tell E i said it is staying if you want it removed start a crusade cause that is the only way it is coming down.. dont go trying to drag me through the mud

[The Penultimate Mohican]

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[eclyps]

... and how did you stumble upon that video, halfwit?

[shaej]

Castle is an OK map, I think it really needs a full respawn timer on defense (red) to make it play correctly.

What I dislike about the map is when no one ever caps the point except by accident, it's the same first section of the map over and over, and the map repeats itself like that for the full half hour.

[blahdan]

Personally I feel this map promotes spawn camping. I do not feel these are the type of players we want on the servers. There are other maps that can replace it.

p.s. Japan blows!

Ditto

What I dislike about the map is when no one ever caps the point except by accident, it's the same first section of the map over and over, and the map repeats itself like that for the full half hour.

Ditto

[stewbee]

I would have to agree with Shaej. Unless blue can cap immediately on the first round, it usually ends up in a red victory. This gets boring so either adjust the respawn timer for this map or remove it from rotation.

Just my $0.02

[docRoe]

I personally can't stand this map mainly because I'm not good at it and it has too much camping which leads to playing the first section over and over which gets really boring really quick...I think this map should be played less often and I agree with L2P...japan does blow

[Xzi]

p.s. Japan blows!

I agree, Although sometimes it has it's fun moments..
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And also, The only thing I don't like about castle is the first part of the map, when the offensive team has 14 demomen and 1 healer they like to spawncamp, and not even try to go for the cap. I know, I do this too, as a sniper.. But only when they do it first ;)

[eclyps]

should we give it a try with the maps intended respawn times? I don't believe it's a full 20 seconds, and I believe offense has a shorter respawn time than defense

[Halfwit]

should we give it a try with the maps intended respawn times? I don't believe it's a full 20 seconds, and I believe offense has a shorter respawn time than defense

i personally say if we extend the respawn timer on D and shorten the map to 30 mins i am more than willing to have a open mind to it.

[shaej]

should we give it a try with the maps intended respawn times? I don't believe it's a full 20 seconds, and I believe offense has a shorter respawn time than defense

I think that would help, E.

[eclyps]

I'll put the stock timers on right now. let me know at the end of the day if it's better

[eclyps]

have you guys played it since I reset the spawn times? Any better?

[Antilulz]

WTF I LOVE castle and i rarely spawn camp its big and open and provides elements the rest of our maps simply dont provide

[Vilepickle]

You'll be happy to know that I'm in the middle of revising this map to make it much more enjoyable. I didn't realize you guys use instant spawn though, which it isn't balanced for.

Spawn camping should be much more difficult in the new one, and offense on stage 1 should be easier AND more fun because I've added an additional CP to the area and added a better alternate route into the current CP's area.

As for all of the changes... there are simply too many to list out here. But rest assured I've listened to most all legitimate complaints about the map.

[eclyps]

vile, this map is on a "short respawn" server where the respawn timers are set to about 8 seconds. I am really REALLY looking forward to the revised map, though. I personally enjoy it quite a bit, and if there is anything else you can do to make it more enjoyable, it'll definitely be added to our servers.

Thanks for keeping us all up to date!

[The Penultimate Mohican]

If the offense steps up and captures that first point the rest of the map is extremely fun to play. What kills it is when offense puts in a halfassed effort and you just have to wait for the timer to expire.

Looking forward to the revisions.

[Vilepickle]

I made a thread on the WIP of the next Castle, if you're interested. Don't expect it for a while, though :)

http://forums.tf2maps.net/showthread.php?t=2012

[Halfwit]

i personally feel like we make VIlepickle our map bitch ... if he is gonna put forth the effort to fix maps and continue to make good maps i say we as a community can step up and support him when we can on his maps .. give em a shot if they empty the server like free porn from dianne does than we can remove it.
but i personally give him 2 thumbs up most people dont go to the extent he does
thanks for everything vilepickle
HAlf

[shaej]

The changes look great, thanks man.