Limiting AWPs

[ChaosLord]

Obviously I am not an awper, but don't mind them being used. It's ok especially if a good awper on one side is balanced by a good awper on the other, but the thing that's very annoying is when you have 6 awpers on one side *cough*aztec*cough*. What's even worse is when 5 of those awpers are 5 of the top20 players. Would limiting awps to 2-3 a side be so horrible? Discuss!

[Torrin]

I am all for it, however: Torrin + AWP = Easy Kill

[The Untalented Mr. Stewar]

I for one can't stand the awp. I think it's a cheese weapon from hell. With that aside I don't think it would be bad if it were limited to a few per side but that's just my opinion.

[eclyps]

I'm all for limiting it. Lets say 2 or 3 per side?

[Jokerz]

2 per side

[baller]

2 would be good but what about the autos?

[The Untalented Mr. Stewar]

I would say two awps and two autos should make things alot more interesting. :-D I'm excited.

[fish0]

sissy's :mad:

[The Untalented Mr. Stewar]

sissy's :mad:

AWPS are a cheap way of getting a kill if you ask me and if 12 people are using them that's a crap load of cheapness floating around.

[saucey]

Do Not Want Awp Ban Even Though I Dont Awp

WHY IS THERE A CAPS LOCK STOPPER

[Sryden..,.]

3 per side.

[atom]

I'm all for limiting of the awps, perhaps making them really expensive would work? like 13500 or something like that.

I've talked to a real sniper who has used the .50 cal rifles, the military has a limit of like 30 shots a day on them per soldier as they can cause retinal detachment.

I kinda wish they'd alter the awp/scout/auto in some update to make it required to be more 'realistic'... aka not accurate when running around with it, only when crouching etc. the reality of them is that they are used by guys laying down on their belly controlling their breathing, not by guys dodging around in a firefight :)

[The Untalented Mr. Stewar]

I'm all for limiting of the awps, perhaps making them really expensive would work? like 13500 or something like that.

I've talked to a real sniper who has used the .50 cal rifles, the military has a limit of like 30 shots a day on them per soldier as they can cause retinal detachment.

I kinda wish they'd alter the awp/scout/auto in some update to make it required to be more 'realistic'... aka not accurate when running around with it, only when crouching etc. the reality of them is that they are used by guys laying down on their belly controlling their breathing, not by guys dodging around in a firefight :)

Amen brother amen I agree 100%

[happyfish]

no limit please :)

[atom]

no limit please :)

LOL i seem to think your one of the constant awpers that always gets me ... i might be wrong though :)

[The Untalented Mr. Stewar]

no limit please :)

You'll just have to learn to use another gun and not snipe like a gaytard.

[sloppy]

3 per team

[Dr. Acula]

You'll just have to learn to use another gun and not snipe like a gaytard.

Dude, he'll skullfuck you with an ak. No limit.

[Torrin]

I have often pondered why I want to limit AWP's. Is it because?:

a) I am a P90 spray and pray sort of guy
b) I suck with an AWP
c) I hate dieing 1000 feet from my opponent
d) It really over powers the game on certain maps.

Really it is all of the above ;) However, I was on last night and we were on Aztec. The CT's were on a run and everyone was flush with cash. The were 14-15 CT's and 11 of them had AWP's! (I counted after I was killed) This is sort of stupid. I am all for a higher price for the AWP and a limit - 0 if dIM is on, and 3 any other time. Autosnipers should be banned from the game as total n00b weapons, or at least limited.

[Dr. Acula]

While we're at it let's ban flashbangs, smoke grenades, hegrenades, deagles, aks, m4s, tmps, auto-shotgun, pump-shotty, p90, m249.......

[Torrin]

NOOOOOO, not the p90! (you can ban the rest though) ;)

[Ser1al]

Don't ban the AWP.

Cause what if diM or mGZ gets ahold of an AWP & 2 people who suck are on your team with AWP's

What happens then?

[Sryden..,.]

Don't ban the AWP.

Cause what if diM or mGZ gets ahold of an AWP & 2 people who suck are on your team with AWP's

What happens then?

MgZ doesn't relaly awp that much, just AKs.

I gotta admit, I don't like the idea of limiting weapons. I used to bitch about awp whores until I tried to use one and realized it's not nearly as easy as people make it out to be.

[Dr. Acula]

Exactly, awp whoring isn't as simple as it looks and odds are if a guy kicks your ass with one of those he's gonna do it regardless of whatever gun he uses. AWP is 1 shot 1 kill most of the time but it's slow. What about the people who fire off headshots with the ak np? We gonna ban headshots?

[CIN]

I love the awp and i whore the fuck out of it every chance it get but i does get ridiculous when people who can actually awp on a stacked team have 6 awps running not very fair at all for the other side so 2 a side is fair anymore than that we might as well be playing awp maps

[fish0]

me and my awp can unstack any losing team.

[mgz]

I vote no.

[Merc]

lol.. limiting awps.. All the people that say that awps are so "cheesy" and a "noob weapon" are usually the people that a) Can't use them or b) doesn't know how to strafe/rush an awper. Like Sryden said, pick one up and try to use it. Chances are if a player is really good with an awp, he is good with an AK or an M4.

[eclyps]

so what's the word? Limit them? Don't Limit them? Limit to 2? Limit to 3?

Personally, I think they should be limited. Or we should get a mod so you cannot whore it. For example, on Dust2, there are usually 2 Ts who stand just outside T spawn looking into B tunnels with B and they refuse to move from that spot for the entire round. That just pisses me off.

But I won't limit it unless most of you guys want it limited...

[Torrin]

so what's the word? Limit them? Don't Limit them? Limit to 2? Limit to 3?

Personally, I think they should be limited. Or we should get a mod so you cannot whore it. For example, on Dust2, there are usually 2 Ts who stand just outside T spawn looking into B tunnels with B and they refuse to move from that spot for the entire round. That just pisses me off.

But I won't limit it unless most of you guys want it limited...


Since the poll is closed after one voter, it looks like 100% are in favor or limiting AWPs.

[eclyps]

ah... guess you can't vote if the thread is closed then... :)

re-opening...

[Jokerz]

Limit it to 2 per side.

Why: Cause anyone that played last night on dust2 would know at one point i counted 10 yes 10 awpers 5 per each side it seemed. It was like a mini cold war.

1 ct had awp
then
1 T had it
then
2 cts and 2 ts
etc etc... it was "lets see who has the most awpers"

Now on a 34 person server when 10 ppl have awps it is a bit out of hand. I dont mind the gun at all. But there is a point when there are just to many of them in the game. It is not like we are saying no awp.. that is just lame it is part of the game. But when a weapon like that can change the outcome of the game and round in a huge swing just by 1 person i think it needs to be limited not banned just limited.
We have all seen the "mgZ"s and "dim"s of the server get an awp and single handily owned 70%-80% of the other team. While that is great my main goal is to "keep the server full" and lets be honest when you have 8-10 awpers on a server i here alot of "pussy awper" or "no skill awper" and then after a few rounds of dying over and over they leave. This is not what SF wants we want ppl to come in and want to play. I dont want this server labeled as an awp whore server.

Also we should limit the awp cause then i will stop using it and leave my spawn. I know you want to help me with my campitis prob. on dust2.

-JkZ

[dwightery]

I can admit to being a 'no skill awper' - i rarely get good hits with them. I don't mind them at all, but I agree with atom, where they shouldn't be so easy to fire when in a firefight. I would be ok with limiting to 3/4 per team, and that's even high.

would you guys be ok if we limited awps on maps where they make a huge impact in the game, such as aztec and dust 2, but leave them alone on other maps, where they have less impact, like office, piranesi, train, tides, etc? I hate stepping through a spot in the first 5 seconds of a game and getting awped immediately.

I agree, it's a decent weapon, but as we've seen in some maps, when one team has 5-10 awps, the other team can have serious issues catching up again and getting past them. At least the autosniper is less difficult to take people down with 1 shot, but it can happen.

How about we try limiting all maps, 3 awps, for 1 week, and revisit the idea. If that doesnt' work we limit 2-3 maps (aztec/d2) to 3-4 awps, and see how that works out?

dwight.

[CIN]

im all for the limit think 2 a side is enough

[The Untalented Mr. Stewar]

Aye limit them.

[saucey]

ye olde dwightery with honest reasoning and lateral thinking.
i guess try it out, even though i'm all for no restrictions on anything.

[Dr. Acula]

If you do limit them. Make it like 4 per team.

[saucey]

delete that message please acula.

[Sryden..,.]

All I can say is I'm glad I'm a quick buy.

[sloppy]

Buy Script ftw

[Merc]

I don't see a single valid argument on why awps should be limited.

I love the awp and i whore the fuck out of it every chance it get but i does get ridiculous when people who can actually awp on a stacked team have 6 awps running not very fair at all for the other side so 2 a side is fair anymore than that we might as well be playing awp maps

So it doesn't get ridiculous when a stacked team full of AKs are up against a team with pistols? In that case let's limit AK's and M4's to 3 because having them by 2nd round with the kills you earned is absolutely ridiculous. Rifles vs pistols is NOT fair!!11

For example, on Dust2, there are usually 2 Ts who stand just outside T spawn looking into B tunnels with B and they refuse to move from that spot for the entire round. That just pisses me off.

Easily fixed by putting up a spawn camping rule like we did in mercnet. By 1:00-1:30 on the clock you should be out of spawn or you'll get slapped/slayed/whatever.[/quote]

But when a weapon like that can change the outcome of the game and round in a huge swing just by 1 person i think it needs to be limited not banned just limited.

So now we're punishing players who have the ability to swing the outcome of the game? That's ridiculous.


We have all seen the "mgZ"s and "dim"s of the server get an awp and single handily owned 70%-80% of the other team. While that is great my main goal is to "keep the server full" and lets be honest when you have 8-10 awpers on a server i here alot of "pussy awper" or "no skill awper" and then after a few rounds of dying over and over they leave.

Like what was said before, the only people who are saying that are those who can't awp or don't know how to deal with one

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All I see is, "awps are lame" "a good player with 1 awp can completely effect the outcome of the game" - uhh DUH?? Any good player in any game can effect the outcome if he knows what hes doing. Awps are a part of the game, they aren't limited in CAL or any other league as far as I'm concerned.

[Torrin]

Merc, all good and valid points. The only caveats are there are some maps (Aztec, Italy) where little or no skill is required with an AWP. I completely agree that AWP's take skill, however, in Italy (as T) and Aztec (as ct) it is like printing money in the basement to get kills with an AWP. Even the most skilless hack (me) can have a pretty high K.D with an awp. Other maps, AWP's take great skill and a good player can kill them (Heck, I think I have killed diM several times when he was shooting at me)

[Sryden..,.]

Merc has me convinced (or maybe I was convinced before, probably before). Please, if we're going to limit something, lets limit autos. Every time I'm killed by an auto (rifle or shotty) I die a little inside.

[Dink]

Wow dumbest thread ever.. Killing a awper with a m4/ak or any other gun makes u better. You have to play smarter and move faster when ppl are awping or get good w/ a rifle. now are we going to limit m4s/aks when ppl start getting good with a m4.. well lets hope not but limiting the guns is just a easy way to say hey im getting owned and I cant awp them so lets restrict them. leave the game as meant to be played and just play smarter when awpers are on.. This coming from one of <SF> awper.. but just play a little smarter and not just run at them and u wont die as much by them.. USe flashes/nades. . . . .

[ChaosLord]

Just as a point of reference, in the top 10, 1-8 have the AWP as either their two one or top 2 kill weapon, 9-10 have it almost none. That means the top 8 players who play alot, usually awp, that's four per side in the least.

[diM.]

if u do limit the awp.. it just means less awpers i gota watch out for and more rushing on my part thus equaling diM goes 999999999-2 on Aztec;)

[mgz]

^That is if I am not in there to stop him.

[ONE]

there's a reason why the good players use awps in a pub. THERE ARE FUCKING 20-30 OF YOU TO KILL!1!!!11!!ONE! when i use ak/m4/deagle i can normally kill 1-2 guys easy but i do get hurt and lots b/c of random spray and what not (games too easy..not as skill oriented imo as in 1.6). with the awp i can kill lots of n00bs flawlessly (no dmg taken) meaning i can mow thru more n00bs w/less dmg. but does that make me invicincible with the awp? hell no! there are many ways you can kill me, the awp (esp if i use it) has many weaknesses. i've killed most of our top10 guys using a deagle while they're awping me. it's easy (conceptially) move in close and strafe lots and randomly. the hard part is moving in close, which is why awpers choose choke points to shoot. easily countered...DON'T GO TO THE CHOKE POINTS ie. apartments in itally, rushing long A as a ct to t spawn, etc. you now where the choke points are...avoid them. use ur flashes ppl! awpers are semi-easy to predict... flash teh fuck outta them and move in close. if you notice most our good awpers once u get close...amazingly DON'T use the awp. now it's not my fault if u can't beat me, dink, dim., mgz, etc in a pistol fight. honestly the only thing i hear is ppl complaining b/c they don't have 1) the skill to kill fast with rifle (when i was in cal i avg 2-3 hits/kill with ak/m4 and bout 1 hit/2-3 shots...that's a semi-fast kill) 2) tehy don't know how to fight awps running blindly into choke points or sniping long range against awp with pistol/rifle etc. 3) they can't beat the awpers in close range with pistols. honestly, i've played on servers that restrict 2-3 awps per side...it just makes it impossible for me to get an awp watchign all these n00bs buy awps thinking it's easy to use and getting killed. i coulda helped the team a lot if i had an awp but *sigh*. also some1 bitched bout maps where awps are "no skill" BULL SHIT! give me a map where using the awp is no skill. i'm talkin bout a map and not a choke point in 1 map here. don't bitch to me b/c u can't cross the fucking bridge in aztec b/c of an awp...neither can cal-im ppl! hint: don't go there or coordinate ur flashes from water with ur rushes of bridge with flashes tossed over. Aztec is a very dynamic map that's able to be played in many ways if u know how...but that's saved for a dif topic. bottom line: LEARN 2 PLAY AND LEARN TO PLAY WELL. AWPERS AREN'T GOD. heck i'm not sure but i doubt most of our awpers (if they cal) aren't awpers on their teams...imo we have some pretty bad awpers (comparitivly speaking) in our server that most of you think is unkillable with an awp. i'm not good with the awp. in two teams i've played for (one being only a fill in) they've never allowed me to awp...not even in practice and scrims. what does that tell you? if you can't kill me awping u need to seriously learn 2 play. if we are restricting i pray that it's limiting to 4-5/team and not 2-3 b/c i'll NEVER get an awp unless i camp a n00b awper and wait till he dies. oh btw, i also awp in game b/c my wireless/internet shows shit slower to me so you actually see me b4 i can see you giving you a huge advantage over me if i use an ak/m4. bah..i've talked to much again :(

[ONE]

since ppl wont read my earlier post....

I'M AGAINST IT! LEARN 2 PLAY AND STOP WHINING! <(^_^<).

[Dink]

lol zero thx for the summary! b/c I hell of woundnt of read that

[saucey]

i can't read zer0's posts, i get lost in them. use some fucking paragraphs

[ONE]

that's why i made 2nd post...short and sweet <(^_^<)

[Merc]

LOL.. zero still doesn't know how to paragraph? sigh

[Liquid Caravan]

I don't support an AWP limit. Mainly because the single most enjoyable feeling I get from CS:S comes from capping an awper.

This feeling resides deep in my loins.

[saucey]

No Awp Limit Pl0x

[Dr. Acula]

Last word. Limiting awps is just stupid. Remove stats before you limit/ban awps. Then nobody has a kdr to cry about.

[lizardking]

only pussies limit awps amirite?

zomg harrow

[mosiah]

Zomg Lizard King!

[ONE]

WOW BAN HIM NOW! just joking <(^_^<)

[Ser1al]

Erm, This thread about banning AWP's is still going on? Sheesh..

Don't ban. End of story. :D

[eclyps]

as stated in the poll thread, i am not going to be limiting the awps until we can get 75% of the players to agree to it, and i don't see that happening any time soon

[showtime]

well, I dont think there should be any awp limiting figuring its part of the game, get used to it. If they limit awps, than they should limit all guns. But there should be no limits ;)

[Torrin]

well, I dont think there should be any awp limiting figuring its part of the game, get used to it. If they limit awps, than they should limit all guns. But there should be no limits ;)

You have an incredible grasp of the obvious!

[GAMEFreak]

Hell no H2O!!!!!
.....
Um...wrong topic i guess. but yea i say no limit:D

[Kirby]

There Shouldent be a a limit on part of the game becuase that makes the game less fun.. if there wants to be 10 awpers on a team let them have them becuase 60% of them are gonna be noobs anyway.. so u mind as well just play threw it..just for u info dim is a beast with a m4 and AK as well as a awp..

[baller]

we´ve been talkin about the restriction for a long time and nothin has been done...well i changed my opinion and i would agree with kirby most the time when there are a bunch of awpers most of them are noobs...but what makes me mad is that when we play aztec and the cts have like 7 good awpers and the T´s dont stand a chance

[lizardking]

paleez, T's just need 2 good awpers to push DD one covers the ct DD other watches down catwalk towards bridgeroom = isntant pwnage

[kahne]

please restrict the awp to 2 per team. 3 or more is like overkill.

[yuseke]

Even though I love me awp, I think limiting them is a great idea. Awping in pubs is way cheap (hesitant to say easy), especially on maps like aztec, inferno, and cbble. When one awp is taking out 10 guys or more per round, it really ruins a game.

BTW, hi forums :O

[seX.]

Solution: Let's do another poll! (I favor 3/team)

[Nishtikeit]

I think it should be to 1 - 2 PER TEAM. I go on and off between hating it and not minding it. But no matter how i'm feeling, i think it should be limited to 1 or 2 PER team.

:::EDIT:::
If you have a handful of people with a damn weapon that can kill anyone in one hit on almost any place on the body, it takes out a LOT of fun from the game. It can get very annoying if u keep seeing a bunch of people on one team just awping away.

[Dr. Acula]

This poll has been dead for a while. We're not going to limit anything. :/ You might as well start awping now.

[mgz]

Yep, pick up the big green machine and use er well.

[Tom Brady]

i vote to lock this thread and continue life as before. high five.

[Kirby]

I Like Cheese!!!!!

[Enlightened Viet]

I same restrict umps and auto shotguns. And an awp restriction until a certain amount of ppl get on the server. I played 2v2 and 3v3 with people awping than trash talking like pros.

[saucey]

i dont understand the whole "no awping with less than X amoutn of players" thing... how is that any worse/different than awping with a lot of people?

[Enlightened Viet]

From just think a for a few seconds I would have to say more awps would mean more coverage which isn't cool for say the Ts in dust2 who have to rush bombsites where the awpers just need to poke in and shoot em. hmm look at that long sentence.

[Dr. Acula]

smoke grenades, flashbangs, go the other way.

[ONE]

honestly i'm going to close this thread but i have been thinking about this topic and will be bringing this up during admin meeting. thanks for your concerns tho.